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10% carbon strong enough for string tension by itself?

Posted: 05 Feb 2014 13:14
by Moto54
I am impressed by how tuning-stable my Vigier is compared to either the strat or the Les Paul I have owned. With a strobe tuner and the LP, for example, putting your playing hand anywhere on the neck while tuning causes a reaction on the tuner, either sharp or flat. With the Vigier there is no such reaction while tuning and you would have to forcefully apply pressure to see any change in pitch.
So carbon is one of the strongest elements on earth.. making it one of the strongest elements in the universe (!)
It got me wondering if the carbon strip is strong enough all by itself to resist string tension, using 9's, for example. Of course the maple is no slouch in the strength department either, but I've never seen a modern guitar that used only wood for the neck/fingerboard, and didnt have a truss rod to help. 
One last thing: before I bought my Vigier I was teasing myself for spending the money on 'a fancy neck' as if that was just a gimmic. Now that I have the guitar in hand to appreciate it personally, it develops into the idea that the neck is the single most important part of the equation, and that the Vigier neck is the single best design. Not that a person NEEDS the best neck to make music... but tuning stability is a great place to start, and not all guitars are equal.

10% carbon strong enough for string tension by itself?

Posted: 06 Feb 2014 16:57
by VigierDJ
First - thanks for the compliments!! We believe very stronly in the idea that the neck is one VITAL part of the equation. Of course we've innovated on the trems, strap buttons, string retainers and other parts of what normally makes a guitar tempermental.
 
Second - I have a piece of the carbon that gets used in the neck and I'm sure it could withstand whatever the combined tension is. The thing simply doesn't budge. In fact, if I stay in a not-so-great neigborhood, I sleep a little easier knowing I have a lightweight, indestructible beating stick within reach 

10% carbon strong enough for string tension by itself?

Posted: 06 Feb 2014 20:36
by Moto54
Moto54 wrote: Second - I have a piece of the carbon that gets used in the neck and I'm sure it could withstand whatever the combined tension is. The thing simply doesn't budge. In fact, if I stay in a not-so-great neigborhood, I sleep a little easier knowing I have a lightweight, indestructible beating stick within reach 
Thanks for the reply. Interesting fact: Leo Fender was absolutely convinced that his guitars did not need a truss rod, and the first ones he gave to salesmen to take on the road did not have them. Right before the regional NAMM of the day his main sales guy sent a telegram and said the necks were a disaster! The necks were bowing and the action was creeping towards an inch! Leo had to eat his words and instal a truss rod on all guitars after, and in the process created the 'skunk stripe' on the back of the necks.
ANyway, yeah, I figured the carbon was super stiff in that dimension. Probably if you put it across your knee you could make it bend side to side a little, but in the dimension it is installed on the guitar I dont guess it flexes at all. And I like the self defense idea as well.. which also reminds me of bands like the Who or Jimi Hendrix who used to smash their guitars to pieces after some shows-- they might not be too happy with your guitars if they do not destruct when smashed. 
:-)